Scott & Suzanne Ramsey | Flying Saucer Diner
Area52:
March 25, 1948. A 100 foot disc hits a mesa outside Aztec, New Mexico. Oil workers climb on it. Someone pokes a stick in a hole, a staircase drops down, and inside there are bodies. Small ones. Sixteen of them.
Most people Google "Aztec UFO" and stop at the word hoax. Scott and Suzanne Ramsey didn't stop. They spent 34 years, over $600,000 and roughly 55,000 documents on this one case, and they sat down with me at the Flying Saucer Diner to walk me through all of it.
We get into the witnesses (a Bataan Death March survivor, oil field workers, a preacher, a family whose car died as discs flew overhead), the only recorded firsthand testimony from the crash site (exclusive to Area52), the concrete slab still buried out there, the trees the military replanted in perfectly straight lines, the scientists behind "Dr. Gee," a 300 page FBI file that got quietly moved to the National Archives, a break in at the New Mexico State Capitol, and a weird little marble they dug up right where the bodies were laid out.
Chapters:
0:00 Cold Open
0:28 The Family Who Watched the First Atomic Blast
5:59 Meet Scott and Suzanne Ramsey
10:07 Remembering Frank Thayer
12:04 March 1948: Sightings Over Cuba, New Mexico
13:56 A Cop Chases a Fluttering Craft
15:20 Valentin Archuleta Watches It Hit the Mesa
16:36 Who Was Valentin Archuleta?
19:56 Sponsor: Cape
21:49 Oil Workers Find a 100 Foot Disc
24:34 The Pole, the Lever, and the Staircase
26:20 EXCLUSIVE: Doug Noland's Recorded Testimony
30:17 The Helicopter Nobody Had Seen Before
33:48 The Military Arrives: Talk or Die
38:55 Ken Farley and the Gold Rings
43:09 The Preacher Who Prayed Over 16 Bodies
48:41 Invisible College Merch
49:01 The Family Who Saw Eight More Discs
52:47 Two Girls on a Horse
58:11 Boys on Bikes and the County Commissioner
1:03:10 How Do You Move a 100 Foot Saucer?
1:05:47 Reenacting the Recovery Route
1:17:58 The Concrete Slab Under the Silt
1:19:21 The Airman Who Got the Equipment
1:25:08 Core Sampling the Slab
1:26:03 The Debunker Who Never Visited the Site
1:30:11 Scientists at the Crash Site
1:31:28 Nurses and the 15 Minute Rule
1:33:09 Reassembly at Wright Patterson
1:39:35 They Powered It Up
1:45:19 The Man Who Faked 200 Alibis
1:47:47 Why the Trees Grow in Straight Lines
1:56:12 Frank Scully and Dr. Gee
1:59:48 So Who Was Dr. Gee?
2:02:47 Inside the John Tate Archives
2:07:24 Scully Knew Things He Shouldn't Have
2:10:52 What Was Found Inside the Craft
2:13:03 J.P. Cahn and the Hoax Story
2:14:15 Silas Newton Was Worth $20 Million
2:22:23 Leo GeBauer's 300 Page FBI File
2:24:52 The File That Moved to the National Archives
2:32:58 The Men in Black Playbook
2:36:05 Karl Pflock: The Ex CIA Debunker
2:41:05 The Break In at the New Mexico Capitol
2:47:47 Why the Story Got Buried
2:51:41 Kecksburg, Travis Walton and Other Cases
2:59:54 The Fake MJ12 Documents
3:04:51 The Gadget
3:11:49 What the Lab Found
3:18:20 Visiting the Crash Site Yourself
YouTube link:
https://youtu.be/30aMHBQ1Avs?si=BJ5az8WA81DZYwOk
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